Comments on: Let me fire up the DeLorean http://xn--9bi.net/2009/07/03/let-me-fire-up-the-delorean/ Really, it's all you need Sun, 07 Mar 2010 03:16:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Foobar http://xn--9bi.net/2009/07/03/let-me-fire-up-the-delorean/comment-page-1/#comment-14251 Foobar Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:03:22 +0000 http://xn--9bi.net/?p=291#comment-14251 > Thanks for not reporting this before release.. Well he could also really meant it. You should know that 5.3 has been delayed for a long time. I am happy that 5.3 is already out here :-) > Thanks for not reporting this before release..

Well he could also really meant it. You should know that 5.3 has been delayed for a long time. I am happy that 5.3 is already out here :-)

]]> By: Adam Harvey http://xn--9bi.net/2009/07/03/let-me-fire-up-the-delorean/comment-page-1/#comment-14250 Adam Harvey Sat, 04 Jul 2009 04:34:13 +0000 http://xn--9bi.net/?p=291#comment-14250 @Philip: The RC issue's a real one, no doubt, and I know that's been behind initiatives like Ilia's e-mails to friendly projects when 5.2.x RCs are released. I don't think there's an easy answer for that one, though -- we actually have been developing against the 5.3.0 RCs at work, since we were fairly comfortable that 5.3.0 would be out before our current project was ready for production anyway, but I've worked at companies where management would be extremely uncomfortable with developing against "non-stable" languages (the attitude being "there's money on the line here, dammit!"), and others where (worse still) developers have been too overworked to test properly against the actual version they're running, let alone development releases. It's a difficult problem. I think, as a community, we actually deal with it pretty well in general, as the RCs are quite well advertised these days and the PHP RMs seem to have resisted the urge to push things out as "stable" releases before they're ready, which I've certainly seen other open source projects do to improve their testing base. I think the overall quality of 5.3.0 (which I've been extremely impressed with through the RCs and into stable) is testament to how well it's been managed. @Philip: The RC issue’s a real one, no doubt, and I know that’s been behind initiatives like Ilia’s e-mails to friendly projects when 5.2.x RCs are released. I don’t think there’s an easy answer for that one, though — we actually have been developing against the 5.3.0 RCs at work, since we were fairly comfortable that 5.3.0 would be out before our current project was ready for production anyway, but I’ve worked at companies where management would be extremely uncomfortable with developing against “non-stable” languages (the attitude being “there’s money on the line here, dammit!”), and others where (worse still) developers have been too overworked to test properly against the actual version they’re running, let alone development releases.

It’s a difficult problem. I think, as a community, we actually deal with it pretty well in general, as the RCs are quite well advertised these days and the PHP RMs seem to have resisted the urge to push things out as “stable” releases before they’re ready, which I’ve certainly seen other open source projects do to improve their testing base. I think the overall quality of 5.3.0 (which I’ve been extremely impressed with through the RCs and into stable) is testament to how well it’s been managed.

]]> By: Philip Olson http://xn--9bi.net/2009/07/03/let-me-fire-up-the-delorean/comment-page-1/#comment-14247 Philip Olson Sat, 04 Jul 2009 01:23:15 +0000 http://xn--9bi.net/?p=291#comment-14247 My guess is this comment expresses frustration towards the situation that most people don't test RC releases and instead wait for official releases. This is a real problem. Not saying I agree with this particular form of [bad day] comment but am just saying. My guess is this comment expresses frustration towards the situation that most people don’t test RC releases and instead wait for official releases. This is a real problem. Not saying I agree with this particular form of [bad day] comment but am just saying.

]]> By: Michael Kimsal http://xn--9bi.net/2009/07/03/let-me-fire-up-the-delorean/comment-page-1/#comment-14244 Michael Kimsal Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:53:30 +0000 http://xn--9bi.net/?p=291#comment-14244 *WOW* that's a horrible attitude. Yes, Jani does a lot of positive things for the PHP community, but probably does just as much damage with just one comment like that. And yes, he may just have been having a bad day, but that's still plain insulting. :( *WOW* that’s a horrible attitude. Yes, Jani does a lot of positive things for the PHP community, but probably does just as much damage with just one comment like that. And yes, he may just have been having a bad day, but that’s still plain insulting. :(

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